Things I "Learn" From the FP Comments

"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips) 12/05/2014 at 13:17 • Filed to: None

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If an engine makes more torque than horsepower(numbers), it is a truck engine. Have an apparent truck engine for your time.

Edit: It started by me correcting someone that the tC engine is in fact not from a truck. It was short, but he apparently got butthurt. Final comment, but it goes up the thread. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

HammerheadFistpunch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:18

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more truck

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:19

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How can it make more torque than horsepower? They're measured in two different units.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:20

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Sweet I have a truck engine. Sounds more like a tractor though.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:20

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And another pair of truck engines:

This reminds me of some people at my school

Party-vi > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/05/2014 at 13:21

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o_O

anothermiatafanboy > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/05/2014 at 13:21

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nice.

deekster_caddy > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:21

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Link please! My car engine makes more torque than horsepower. But it did work well in a truck, too.

JGrabowMSt > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:22

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Baddest truck of all.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:22

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Would be awesome and link it? I like reading dumb things.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/05/2014 at 13:22

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Those are clearly diesel truck engines with the Walmart badges tacked on.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/05/2014 at 13:22

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They just mean the numbers I assume. But I agree it's a pretty daft comparison.

Sn210 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:23

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Diesel truck

Aaron M - MasoFiST > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/05/2014 at 13:23

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If you actually do the dimensional analysis, horsepower is torque/engine speed, equalized at (thanks to ungodly Imperial units) ~5250 rpm. As such, the comparison between torque and horsepower tells you where the torque peak is. If there is more horsepower than torque, torque peak is above 5200 rpm. Most commonly built "truck engine" of the last two decades is likely the 5SFE, the four-cylinder workhorse in the Toyota Camry, Celica and MR2. 130-140hp, 145-150 ft-lbs of torque. Torque peak was around 4500 rpm, thus fulfilling the expected mathematical relationship.

Sweet Trav > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/05/2014 at 13:23

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Don't you dare show me that 6 3/4 liter V8 whilst I'm at work, it is pure pornography.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > deekster_caddy 12/05/2014 at 13:24

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I'll edit my post with it.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 12/05/2014 at 13:25

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I'll edit my post.

asindhidude > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:25

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Sounds like something an RX 8 owner would say.

Obligatory lolapexseals because renesis was mentioned.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > asindhidude 12/05/2014 at 13:28

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Nah, RX8 owners usually are actually car guys who know what they are getting in to.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/05/2014 at 13:29

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Not sure if serious... But higher numbers perhaps? :)

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:30

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But should we include turbocharged units in this debate? That kind of tips the scales unfavorably in way of torque...

Textured Soy Protein > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:31

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My Grand Cherokee makes 330 hp and 375 lb/ft. My 135is makes 320 hp and 317 lb/ft. I guess the 135is just barely qualifies as not a truck. Must be a crossover.

macanamera > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:32

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TIL my car has a truck engine.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 12/05/2014 at 13:33

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Well the discussion started over the 2.4/2.5 Toyota 4 cylinder, those aren't turbocharged.

nermal > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/05/2014 at 13:36

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WRONG!!!

The correct power rating of the Bentley engine is "Sufficient". Please don't water down its image with your pleibian HPs and torques.

http://www.rrec.org.uk/Cars/Rolls-Roy…

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:36

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Those aren't truck engines, although I have been known to call them stump-pullers...

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 12/05/2014 at 13:37

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I can't see if my reply, so I will reply again. Ignore if first reply came through. The initial discussion was over the Toyota 2.4/2.4 4 cylinder NA engines.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 12/05/2014 at 13:38

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Apparently you did get my first reply, ignore the second. I Kinja'd myself. Yeah, my Mom has the 2.4 in her Vibe, and it is a torquey little car.

William Byrd > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:41

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Here's the truck engine in my Focus.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 13:42

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Oh, so GM put a truck engine in the ATS, CTS, Malibu, and Regal. I'll be damned.

...and now I suddenly want this engine in a Colorado. It would make a good 'tweener between the base 2.5 and up level 3.6.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 12/05/2014 at 13:51

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No. I am serious. It all would depend on what units you use. Power can be measures in horsepower, kilowatts, ergs per second, and metric horsepower, while torque is measured in newton-metres, or pound feet. These units are distinct and cannot be compared simply by choosing the larger number.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/05/2014 at 13:52

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They wouldn't do that. It would point out the 3.6's major flaw: Usable power. It would more than likely make a much better truck engine.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/05/2014 at 13:57

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Sure, but usually we measure power in KW or HP(BHP,PS) and torque in NM or pound feet. My cars have usually had a "larger number" in torques than in power. I know that's not how it SHOULD be measured, but that's how most people measure it (not that most people have any idea what torque is anyway.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:08

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I guess that means the RAM 1500 doesn't use a truck engine. Does that mean it's not a real truck??? /insecurity

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:09

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My truck is a sofa. Your argument is invalid.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BrownMiataDieselWagon 12/05/2014 at 14:11

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Well technically, both that engine and the Colorado/Canyon 3.6 started life as car engines. In fact the Colorado has a worse power band than the early GM 3.6, for truck use anyway.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/05/2014 at 14:12

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The explosions really set off the red stripes in this pic.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:12

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You're probably right actually.

I have no idea what GM did to the 3.6L that forced all the torque up into the rev band so far. It all used to come in at a very truck-like 2100 RPM.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/05/2014 at 14:14

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Fuel economy. The same reason everybody does everything now.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:16

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So even though the engine powers a truck, it's not a truck engine.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > nermal 12/05/2014 at 14:16

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I would say 530hp and 775lbs/ft of torque is sufficient.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:17

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Just make it shut off two cylinders like the LT1 does with four. Problem solved! (Probably not)

Then move to torque back down where it belongs dammit.

I blame Direct Injection. Even though I think the old 3.6 is Direct Injected.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/05/2014 at 14:18

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Or just give it the 4.3. LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE AT THE START.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:20

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This is true. But it isn't "car-like" enough for how GM wanted the Colorado to be. I foresee swaps in the future.

Unless the Diesel isn't a ridiculous up charge. Then just buy that if you want more power.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/05/2014 at 14:26

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I just want to know how much less it will cost than a Ram Ecodiesel. Or more importantly, what Toyota has up their sleeve for Detroit. I will flip shit if the new Taco, is just another package on the old one.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:27

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With Toyota's recent track record of "all new" cars, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/05/2014 at 14:29

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Offroad is Toyota's thing, so maybe there is hope.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:38

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Possibly. I hope they're at least gonna put a 6-speed auto in it.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/05/2014 at 14:41

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They probably will. I only care about one transmission option, and if it will stay.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:43

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Hopefully. This seems to be the only category where everyone offers a stick at some level.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:45

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Buick's marketing department should really hire me.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:49

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Nope, the Colorado should have the 5.3 as an option. I would want more than 300hp with 4500lbs to lug around.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 12/05/2014 at 14:53

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Nah, then there would be very little difference between that and the Silverado. It already costs more than a similarly optioned Ram. The 4.3 has what a truck needs, and that is torque at a low range in the rpm.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 14:56

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Limiting products because you don't want them cutting into your bread and butter money makers. #PorscheLyfe

It worked for the Dakota (while it lasted) & they even shoved it into the old Colorado. Just do it now while gas is cheap.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 12/05/2014 at 15:01

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The difference is, the Colorado used to be a little cheaper.

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 15:05

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Because comment section.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 15:09

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If there is one thing I know about truck buyers, its that they'll pay up.

deekster_caddy > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 15:15

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Just for kicks here's my car motor in a truck. Keep in mind the source car was a '76 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham... but I'm staying out of that FP discussion.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 12/05/2014 at 15:21

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Not on midsizer's though. When people want luxury, the step up to the fullsizer's.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > deekster_caddy 12/05/2014 at 15:22

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So a common for the day, torquier engine from a car, in a smogged truck bay?

deekster_caddy > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/05/2014 at 15:38

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Sort of - '76 Cad 500" in an '86 3/4 ton suburban. The truck came with a "HD federal emissions" package, so no cats right from the factory. I did have some trouble passing emissions with that engine, but the specs were pretty loose on that truck. Fortunately my state dropped the emissions requirements on anything older than OBD-II so it didn't matter anymore. That didn't stop the floor from rotting out though, sadly the truck went away with 340,000 on the odometer.

The motor was also built up a bit, mild cam and some improved internals. I saved the motor and sold it to a guy building some street rod, I'd love to see where it is now.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 12/07/2014 at 00:07

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Mattbob > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/08/2014 at 12:42

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You can tell a truck engine, by the truck around it. Likewise with a car engine, there usually is a car around it or in the vicinity.

Alex B > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/08/2014 at 13:04

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My family has an electric truck!